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    Demand for surplus Army 1911 handguns outstrips supply

    In January 2018, the Army transferred 8,000 of its 1911 pistols to the CMP for sale to the public. It received 19,000 requests for those pistols, according to the report.

    It has stopped taking orders for those pistols and is still processing the flood of requests, according to the CMP website.
    The CMP officials determined that 145 of the 8,000 they received were unsellable. So, as of December, 7,223 surplus 1911 handguns remained in the initial batch transferred from the Army.

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    Re: Demand for surplus Army 1911 handguns outstrips supply

    Part of the CMP process was to assign a random number generated (RNG) by a computer. I have been tracking numbers reported on the CMP forum to see how far they (CMP) has gotten with the 19,000 packets submitted in this 1911 frensy. As of yesterday they have email those who submitted a packets a number up to 9229, those that received a RNG above 8000 also were told the CMP was "Sold Out of 1911s" for this batch. When CMP receives more 1911s from the Army they would continue the shipping of 1911. CMP will continue sending out a RNG by email for the remining 19,0000 packets. The folks may not receive a 1911 until late 2020. CMP will not accept applications again until all the packets received so far are either rejected or filled. I let out a sigh of relief because my RNG is 3233 and I received a call from CMP for my credit card info and verified my FFL and email address on February 12th. So now I'm watching my CC statement to see when it takes a hit from CMP and my email to see when the 1911 is shipped to my FFL. Haven't got any grayer, but my anxiety has dropped two notches. LOL
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    Re: Demand for surplus Army 1911 handguns outstrips supply

    Good to hear sergeant major !
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    Re: Demand for surplus Army 1911 handguns outstrips supply

    I think they should have given preference to Veterans.
    The only Woodstock I saw in 1969 was on my M14

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    Re: Demand for surplus Army 1911 handguns outstrips supply

    Quote Originally Posted by polish29 View Post
    I think they should have given preference to Veterans.
    I agree, but I admit I have a bias.

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    Re: Demand for surplus Army 1911 handguns outstrips supply

    From what I read they also had this offering. Don't know if these have been already sold or not ???

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    Re: Demand for surplus Army 1911 handguns outstrips supply

    Quote Originally Posted by VanHahner View Post
    From what I read they also had this offering. Don't know if these have been already sold or not ???

    M14 National Match rifle 486
    M82 Kimber rifle 5,014
    Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine 3,397
    M12 Mauser rifle 675
    M52 rifle 573
    M513T Remington 570
    M40X1/M40 rifle 503
    M1917 Enfield rifle 443
    M1903 rifle 183
    M13 rifle 182
    Mossberg M144 rifle 99
    I highly doubt those M14s will be transferred to civilian hands unless they somehow are already in the NFA registry -- "once a MG, always a MG" and all that.

    The others will likely end up on the auction site.

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    Re: Demand for surplus Army 1911 handguns outstrips supply

    From what I understand the M14 National Match rifles were modified when they were converted into Match rifles , so that they couldn't ever be fired full auto.

    "M14M (National Match)
    The M14M is a semi-automatic only version of the standard M14 that was developed for use in civilian rifle marksmanship activities such as the Civilian Marksmanship Program. M14M rifles were converted from existing M14 rifles by welding the select-fire mechanism to prevent full-automatic firing.

    M14M and M14NM, For Civilian Marksmanship Use," dated 8 February 1965. Paragraph 2, among other things, stated that the Director of the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Division, Internal Revenue Service, Department of the Treasury (predecessor to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives) had ruled that M14M and M14NM rifles so modified would not be subject to the 1934 National Firearms Act (NFA) and, as such, could be sold or issued to civilians. However, with the passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968, the NFA was amended to prohibit sales of previously modified automatic weapons such as the M14M and M14NM to civilians. "

    So has the Gun Control Act of 1968 expired ?
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    Re: Demand for surplus Army 1911 handguns outstrips supply

    Quote Originally Posted by VanHahner View Post
    So has the Gun Control Act of 1968 expired ?
    Not at all. Regardless of the fact a particular M14NM wasn't a MG at the time that GCA1968 came into effect, it still retains the history (that it was at one time a MG) -- in the eyes of the (B)ATF(E).

    Laws (such as GCA1968) don't expire. They exist until redacted, either by passage of a new bill or by an explicit sunset clause added into the language (e.g. AWB1994).

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