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    Re: Buttplate conversion, 1st attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyG View Post
    I may be wrong here, but I think raising the butt plate in competition was prohibited.
    Not a competitor here. I train like I mean business and shoot for accuracy the way I learned back when it was a matter of life or death.
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    Re: Buttplate conversion, 1st attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by nf1e View Post
    Not a competitor here. I train like I mean business and shoot for accuracy the way I learned back when it was a matter of life or death.
    Now you're talking !!! Keep training nf1e, the way things are looking that training will be needed again. I've never been a minute of angle shooter, now minute of man is more to my liking.


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    Re: Buttplate conversion, 1st attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by tat2steve View Post
    Now you're talking !!! Keep training nf1e, the way things are looking that training will be needed again. I've never been a minute of angle shooter, now minute of man is more to my liking.


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    Re: Buttplate conversion, 1st attempt

    Shoot the way you were trained or what you think works best for you. As far as the butt plate for competition, it is not allowed in NRA or CMP competition, it must be used only in the folded position. The USMC, US Army, USN, USAF used to all field teams that followed these rules with their M14's. Now they all shoot match conditioned M16's, so really doesn't matter, unless you're a civilian and shooting an M14.

    I started using non skid tape on my butt plates, it works really good! I didn't find out until later, that I was violating the rules using that too. There are lots of rules with CMP and NRA in High Power, that aren't always necessarily followed, depends on the Range Master or a competitor you might have bested and he goes whining that you broke the rules! Even though the minor thing he was whining about wouldn't have mattered anyhow!

    I saw this man win the state match a few years ago, won fair and square with an M14. I could tell one of the Prima Donnas there didn't like it, insisted on weighing the winners trigger pull and putting on show about it. The trigger passed, the winner was still the winner. That was the first time they weighed a trigger in quite some time, they didn't like it because the winner was from out of state.

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    Re: Buttplate conversion, 1st attempt

    The way you wanna the main thing is just shoot. Have a purpose and push your limits and boundaries.

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    Re: Buttplate conversion, 1st attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by 4570govt View Post
    Shoot the way you were trained or what you think works best for you. As far as the butt plate for competition, it is not allowed in NRA or CMP competition, it must be used only in the folded position. The USMC, US Army, USN, USAF used to all field teams that followed these rules with their M14's. Now they all shoot match conditioned M16's, so really doesn't matter, unless you're a civilian and shooting an M14.

    I didn't find out until later, that I was violating the rules using that too. There are lots of rules with CMP and NRA in High Power, that aren't always necessarily followed, depends on the Range Master or a competitor you might have bested and he goes whining that you broke the rules! Even though the minor thing he was whining about wouldn't have mattered anyhow!

    I saw this man win the state match a few years ago, won fair and square with an M14. I could tell one of the Prima Donnas there didn't like it, insisted on weighing the winners trigger pull and putting on show about it. The trigger passed, the winner was still the winner. That was the first time they weighed a trigger in quite some time, they didn't like it because the winner was from out of state.

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    Way, way, way back when I was in my early 20's and shot Hi Power hand gun Shilouette I bought me an 8" Dan Wesson .44 mag to use and shot out of the Redlands, CA range back then to be able to shoot all classes. I got me 3 39x40's before a 40x40 was ever shot and one time a guy tied with me and accused me of using my cowboy boots as an aiming aid... He went to the range master and then everyone around started shouting 'shoot off!'.
    Chicken tails as targets and cannot remember the range... I do remember being embarressed and a bit ticked but took off my boot and got down into the Creedmore position used by all at the time and got me three out of five chicken tails in 29 seconds... I was recocking on the way down from recoil and had me a great NPA and let her go as soon as sights were aligned...

    Must have spooked my challenger as he used his entire 2 min of time to get him one out of five chicken tails... I took the match that day without my right boot!
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    kool Re: Buttplate conversion, 1st attempt

    Here is the real deal. The filler is quite rare as most were simply tossed out when the new flip up butt plates became available. Note the butt plate to. The diamonds are inverted. It was specialy made for this application back in 1960.
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    Re: Buttplate conversion, 1st attempt

    I started using non skid tape on my butt plates, it works really good! I didn't find out until later, that I was violating the rules using that too.

    The standard trick was spraying sticky glue on your shoulder pad and glove so your grip wouldn't slip. The butt plates and stocks of serious competitors were covered with stick-em.

    Never understood how that was legal but anti-skid tape was not. Neither were standard issue items.
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    Re: Buttplate conversion, 1st attempt

    Firm Grip and other spray on products were used by competitive shooters to insure the butt of the rifle would stay in the proper place during rapid fire matches. It was legal under the rules because it was temporary and did not modify the rifle. Non-skid tapes applied to the butt plate are considered an external modification and not allowed under NRA and CMP rules. I used Firm Grip on my rifle, but in very small applications and I cleaned it off after every match. This was important because a build up of Firm Grip would result in a slippery surface that defeats it's original purpose.

    I also applied Firm Grip to my shooting glove (never to my rifles forearm). I didn't much like that sticky stuff all over my rifle.
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